icSouthlondon - 'It must be true', says de Menezes shooting witness: "But Mr Whitby says that man - who may have vaulted a ticket barrier - is likely to have been an undercover cop trailing Mr de Menezes.
'What's been on the news this week is as close to the truth as you're going to get,' he told the South London Press.
'I think the guy I saw being bundled out of the way might have been a surveillance officer who was following him.'
Mr Whitby, 47, described what he saw: 'There was a mass of bodies and I saw a gun being lowered and I heard the shots.
'Mr de Menezes must have been ahead of the officers. The guy in the thick coat can't have been him.'"
well it sounds to me like mr whitby is contradicting himself, how does he know who vaulted the ticket barrier when he was yards away from the shooting, in the same carriage - "Stunned commuter Mark Whitby was reading a paper on the Victoria line northbound train when it pulled in to Stockwell".
Now he says there was "a mass of bodies" when previously he could see the victims face
"He described the man wearing "a coat like you would wear in winter, a sort of padded jacket" and looking as petrified as "a cornered rabbit" when he got on the train"
a further contradiction - now
"Mark Whitby, 47, a plumber from Brixton, was sitting on the opposite side of the carriage, five yards down.
“I was reading my paper when I heard shouting. There were three people pushing and shoving and shouting, ‘Get down, get out’. I didn’t hear ‘freeze’ or ‘get your hands up’ or even ‘police’.
“They were wearing scruffy street wear. There was nothing to identify them as police. One of them had a black handgun and I saw them bundle a fourth man to the floor. He was wearing a grey baseball cap and thick jacket and I saw the gun pointing at the ground. "
He added: "The man half tripped and was then pushed to the floor by three plain-clothes police officers who were pursuing him.
"One of the police officers was holding a black automatic pistol in his left hand.
"He held it down to him and unloaded five shots into him. I saw it all. He was dead, five shots. I was literally less than five yards away."
very interesting a lot of questions raised, i think the press should stop copying and pasting its articles as there is an awful lot of repetition of crap here, with very little questioning going on